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Why and How Is JAIL4judges "Misguided"?
 
(Jon Roland of the Constitution Society writes):
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Roland
To: LPTexas
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:57 AM
Subject: [Lex_Rex] Fw: Jail 4 Judges is misguided

See http://www.jail4judges.org/ for their proposal, and consider how it could be subverted and made counterproductive.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Jail 4 Judges is un-Constitutional
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:37:59 +0000
From: Jon Roland <
jon.roland@constitution.org>
Reply-To:
jon.roland@constitution.org
Organization: Constitution Society
To: Dr Les Sachs <
drlessachs@lycos.com>,  AMOJ_main <AMOJ_MAIN@yahoogroups.com>
References: <
1124613810.43083eb2a0072@secure.swissmail.org>

Discussion of the merits of the J.A.I.L. proposals reminds one of the quotes:

For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken

For every problem there is a solution which is simple, obvious, and wrong.
Albert Einstein

Simple proposals are easier to sell, and therefore propagate faster than more complex but workable proposals, often displacing them from public discourse. One suspects that clever opponents of reform often advance such proposals just to defeat real reform.

But some might say my proposals are simple: Argue law before juries. Require juries for more cases, such as administrative, equity, family, and appellate. Require unanimous decisions by multi-judge panels to sustain official action against claimed right of individual against such action. Revive private criminal and public rights prosecutions. Open grand juries to private parties. Set up grand juries, selected at random, for communities of about 3000 people. Legislatively forbid binding stare decisis, by requiring exhaustive textual, structural, and historical analysis before turning to precedent.  Educate youth on original
understanding of the Constitution and on law generally. End "licensing" of lawyers. Decriminalize narcotics. Revive militia for most defense, law enforcement, disaster response, and community service.

However, my proposals are not as simple as these simple statements of them might suggest. In particular, no one of them is likely to be effective without the rest. The legal system is too complex to admit simple solutions, and we can't just fix one thing and expect that will work unless other things are also fixed.

When as much energy goes into some of these proposals as is going into J.A.I.L. we might have some hope of restoring constitutional compliance.

-- Jon
 
 
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(Response from Barbie of JAIL4judges):
 
Dear Jon:
 
It's puzzling why proponents of the organic Constitution (1787) would be motivated to trash J.A.I.L. on the internet when the main objective of J.A.I.L. is to provide the means by which the People can enforce that Constitution as it was written and intended to be by strict construction (i.e., it says what it means and means what it says), by holding judges accountable to the People when failing to obey constitutional principles in making their rulings. I would think that your organization called "Constitution Society" and your website (to which I refer quite often in my research) "constitution.org" would certainly agree with J.A.I.L.'s objective. You've been sour on J.A.I.L. for as long as I remember, and it just doesn't add up. I won't deny the fact that it is, to say the least, disappointing. If J.A.I.L. wasn't so vital to restoring our Constitutional Republic while the People can still do so, your naysaying wouldn't  matter so much. We expect opposition, but usually from those who benefit from judicial corruption, such as members of the system itself-- government officials and lawyers mainly. But the "Constitution Society"??
 
It makes me wonder, Jon, if you really are interested in returning the exercise of sovereignty to the People, where it truly rests. The following may sound like a "Request for Admissions" but I ask these pertinent questions to try to find out where you depart from the motivations of J.A.I.L. Many people look up to you as a constitutional scholar, and so in light of the fact that J.A.I.L. exists to make the Constitution more than just words on parchment, it doesn't help J.A.I.L. when you debunk this cause. We'd like to know precisely where the "glitch" is --
 
Do you believe the 1787 Constitution is based on the Declaration of Independence? Do you believe that the People are, by nature, sovereign over government?  Do you believe that government was created by the People to protect respect for the exercise of their inherent rights?  Do you believe that the People have not only the right, but the DUTY to alter or abolish government when it fails to protect their rights?
 
Do you believe that government has indeed failed to protect the rights of the People-- i.e., failed to do the job they were created to do? Do you believe that it's the judiciary that is the final authority of government with the responsibility of seeing to it that the People's rights are protected? Do you believe that the "touchstone of due process is protection of the individual against arbitrary action of government"? Do you believe that it's ultimately up to the People to do what is necessary to see that their inherent rights are protected by government?
 
Jon, please tell us precisely how "J.A.I.L. is misguided"! That's quite a serious accusation without proof. Your proposals listed below aren't possible until J.A.I.L. is in place-- as legitimate and credible as your proposals may be (that's not the issue here). People --especially "constitutional scholars"-- must understand that the People need a formal mechanism by which to make these "proposals" work. Without that mechanism in place, all the "proposals" in the world, as well as the Constitution itself, are merely words on paper (and the internet screen). The key is enforcement-- not just complaining or theorizing.
 
Jon, you state: When as much energy goes into some of these proposals as is going into J.A.I.L. we might have some hope of restoring constitutional compliance. Oh, we need even MORE energy "going into J.A.I.L."  We think of all the resources going into the WTP project of trying to get redress of grievances from government--a very basic inherent right according to plain common sense, even according to nature-- the Constitution doesn't grant it, and certainly government doesn't grant it. Yet we find that even the Laws of Nature when it comes to respecting the People's natural rights and allowing them to work as nature intended them to do, are being opposed and violated by the counterfeit power in force --only because there is no mechanism in place for the People to stop the usurpation and restore the system to its rightful station in society. Only J.A.I.L. will provide that mechanism-- which has to be there before the system will work properly!
 
That's why, Jon, we need your HELP --not hindrance-- in getting J.A.I.L. passed in all states and ultimately with Congress.  J.A.I.L. is going forward with or without your help, however you can make a big difference in making the effort a lot easier. J.A.I.L. will help YOU -- your program -- and everyone's agenda, if it follows constitutional law.
 
Many of J.A.I.L.'s naysayers base their criticism on the fraud and deception that has taken place, almost since the 1787 Constitution was ratified-- e.g., corporate USA, bankrupt USA, Crown Temple, English "ownership", the IMF, Federal Reserve, the IRS, redemption,  --just to mention a few. But none of those frauds are relevant in considering the need for J.A.I.L. J.A.I.L. is needed because of those fraudulent programs that have not been stopped by the People in over 200 years!
Anything created by fraud is as void today as it was at its inception (null and void ab initio). Length of time does not validate ongoing fraud. However, the J.A.I.L. process allows any defendant-judge to present his defense, and it will be investigated. Those issues don't negate the need for J.A.I.L.
 
So Jon, please tell us precisely why and how JAIL4judges is "misguided." Certainly if there is something that we should know that would set J.A.I.L. on the "right track" -- please tell us. But please understand that anything that depends on the current system isn't going to work UNTIL we have J.A.I.L. As I've reminded people so many times, even theoretically if the system worked perfectly, we still need J.A.I.L. in place to keep it guarded against the development of possible corruption in the future. But we know the system is already corrupt, and the People must "throw off such government and provide new guards for their future security." That's the NEXT STEP the People must take, i.e., WE MUST PASS J.A.I.L.
 
Thank you,
 
-Barbie, ACIC
 National J.A.I.L. Administration
victoryusa@jail4judges.org
 
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