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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:46 AM
Dear Ron, how much do the CA. signature
gathering companies want to put JAIL on the ballot? Also, has anyone
done focus groups to determine if the public would overwhelmingly
support it? Then the big question: Would the courts rule it
Here are my responses to your questions
regarding passage of J.A.I.L. as it pertains to California. The market
rate per signature runs at approximately $1 each. The more a cause
is willing to pay per signature moves it to a higher priority in
The individuals who work for, and collect
signatures for the signature-gathering companies work on a competitive
basis. For instance, if there were a cause that was paying $1.35 per
signature competing with another cause that only paid .75 cents,
you can readily figure out who is going to get the most attention.
Now there are some variables in this
equation. If the time of gathering signatures is in an off-year
election period, and there are not many (or any) issues being
circulated, then individuals will gather signatures for
less because it is for them to either make .50 cents each, or not to
work and make nothing. Likewise then, when the field is busy, and every
else's cause is trying to get signatures, the price per
signature rises considerable due to competition.
There is one other lesser factor for
consideration. If a hired signature gather likes a particular issue, he
is more willing to invest his time at a lesser amount in gathering
signatures because of his personal desire for passage of the issue.
This is where J.A.I.L. has a very strong advantage, because so many
have indicated a desire to circulate it for lesser money, - but they
will not work for free. So, the $1 factor is an approximate. I've even
had the owner of a signature-gathering company tell me that for the
sake of passage of J.A.I.L., they would even forgo their company's
commission on the deal.
To get a Constitutional Initiative on the
ballot here in California, it requires 700,000 good signatures
considering them all to be perfect signatures. Since to expect all
perfect signatures is unreasonable, an overage of signatures are
naturally figured in. It is anyone's guess as to how many overage
signatures are enough, but I've been told to plan for a total
minimum number of one million signatures to cover for faulty
signatures, plus a bit more if the financial support is
The hired signature gathering companies
manage the entire process, and acquire their commission off
the top, for they have the connections to make it all happen. The
work they do is check the signatures and scratch through
obvious faulty ones, making sure the circulator has signed properly,
safe-keeping of completed petitions, and properly and timely
delivering the petitions to the individual appropriate County
Registrar Recorders Offices.
One may enter a signed contract with
the signature-gathering company that you will pay them X amount
flat out for a guaranteed X number of signatures, with their
guaranteed assurance that the issue will be placed on the
ballot, or they shall receive nothing. All this is negotiable between
you and them.
There has been no official study conducted
to determine whether the general public will overwhelmingly support
J.A.I.L. All I can say is that having personally been out there on the
street collecting 5,000 signatures myself, the public readily
signs the petition even more so that they do most all petitions
because of their approval to its cause.
People will normally read only the
first two lines of the short summary placed on the petition by the
State Attorney General, and they are instantly ready to
sign without questioning. I've circulated three clipboards all at
the same time with everyone desiring to sign. In front of a court,
I acquired some 45 signatures as fast as everyone down the line could
sign them. It was like distributing free hot dogs. One man who
signed said, my wife is coming, and she will sign too. When she
arrived, he told her to sign, and she asked, "What's this about?" He
told her, "Never mind, just sign it," and she did immediately.
I've found no lack of public interest at any
time in collecting signatures. I was sitting with Anne Winner at a
booth for getting people to register to vote, and I had with
me the JAIL Initiative I set out. Anne was getting only about
three people registered to vote per hour, and at the same time, people
were standing in line signing the J.A.I.L. Initiative one after
the other. Anne was so shocked at the people's great interest in
judicial accountability, and its need.
As to your question, would the courts
declare it unconstitutional? The answer is "yes," if they could. But
there is one provisionary within the J.A.I.L. Initiative itself that is
different from all other initiative heretofore, and that is that the
Initiative is directed at the judiciary itself, creating a conflict for
all the judges, to which the Legislative Analysist himself asked me,
if the portion that says No judge under the jurisdiction of the
Special Grand Jury, or affected by his own decision, shall sit in
judgment upon any matter pertaining to this Initiative, mean that no
judge in California may sit in judgment on this? To which I responded,
Will there be a warfare over J.A.I.L.? You
bet there will be, and we will have to go to war to defend it. But
like any other battle for truth, we must proceed on in
the face the enemy who is determined to destroy us all.
J.A.I.L. will create the greatest war since who knows when. But take a
stand we MUST! There is no other way!
Okay, let me hear your response, and further
questions on what I have just said. God bless you, Bob.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Jesson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: Tears Flowing Like A River
After watching the story on Waco at 2am: I just could not sleep
any longer. As I watched how our government MURDER small children,
babies I was heart broken. Then to hear that our Senate stated
that these people killed themselves, made me even sicker and more
After watching all the evidence showing how these people were murder by
our government when trying to get out of a burning building, makes
wonder how in Gods name do these people sleep at night?
I only watch what happen and had nothing to do with any of the
yet I could not sleep knowing that the sounds from babies being burnt
death had to be heard from hundreds of yards away. However this had
effect on the evil people that were in charge and the ones that
out the orders!
Think about the choice the people had, either to stay and be burnt
to death, or run from the building and be shot to death by a
treasonous evil person!
This is the type of government we have, after 10 years most of
these same people that were in charge of the mass murder are still
holding some type of office in our government. These people died
for nothing, nothing has changed, other than to get worse.
You have to stop and think why were these people willing to give
their lives? As they all lay dead and still in their graves, the
rest of American has just turned their backs and quietly hope this
never happens to them.
Sadly to say this is only a beginning. Once we allow this evil
government to get away with mass MURDER nothing will stop them.
When will we have the courage to take back Gods Nation?
May God be with all of us, sincerely,
Thanks, Nick, for writing. We have the means to
take back our nation, and it's a simple thing. We are just
awaiting the financial support to do it. I am told by the
professional signature-gathering companies that even in a state
like California they can have all the signatures necessary to get
J.A.I.L. on the ballot here within 60 days, and they will even
guarantee it to be on the ballot. They just want to be paid.